Discussion:
[libreoffice-users] Unwanted Alternative Image Names
gordon cooper
2017-07-23 22:23:06 UTC
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We are using Libre Office in the writing of technical manuals
where some users make html copies.

Finding that the file names of images are being displayed
beside or below the images in the html versions. Because
all images are given a caption, we do not want the file names too.

I can remove them by going to each image Properties>Options
and deleting one at a time but this is time consuming when there are
many images - over 100 in one manual. Is there a setting that can
automatically prevent the file names being displayed?

Have looked through the Help but found nothing, did I overlook it?

Gordon
Tauranga N.Z.
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anne-ology
2017-07-24 14:48:52 UTC
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From my experience,
I would say you've uncovered a 'bug' since the name of the image
should only appear if the image cannot for some reason.

Here's hoping you can find a solution anon,



From: gordon cooper <***@kinect.co.nz>
Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:23 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Unwanted Alternative Image Names
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We are using Libre Office in the writing of technical manuals
where some users make html copies.

Finding that the file names of images are being displayed
beside or below the images in the html versions. Because
all images are given a caption, we do not want the file names too.

I can remove them by going to each image Properties>Options
and deleting one at a time but this is time consuming when there are
many images - over 100 in one manual. Is there a setting that can
automatically prevent the file names being displayed?

Have looked through the Help but found nothing, did I overlook it?

Gordon
Tauranga N.Z.
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leleu
2017-07-24 15:07:17 UTC
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Did you try to deliver these manuals as pdf ?

How do the users copy to html? Using the LO menu "Save as"? or selectng,
then "Edition>Copy" .....?
Post by anne-ology
From my experience,
I would say you've uncovered a 'bug' since the name of the image
should only appear if the image cannot for some reason.
Here's hoping you can find a solution anon,
Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:23 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Unwanted Alternative Image Names
We are using Libre Office in the writing of technical manuals
where some users make html copies.
Finding that the file names of images are being displayed
beside or below the images in the html versions. Because
all images are given a caption, we do not want the file names too.
I can remove them by going to each image Properties>Options
and deleting one at a time but this is time consuming when there are
many images - over 100 in one manual. Is there a setting that can
automatically prevent the file names being displayed?
Have looked through the Help but found nothing, did I overlook it?
Gordon
Tauranga N.Z.
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gordon cooper
2017-07-24 20:20:25 UTC
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Did you try to deliver these manuals as pdf ? /
/
/Have been delivering in pdf and html for a couple of years, and using
Lyx for//
//authoring/editing. Open Doc. has been used for translations mainly
because//
//it was preferred by the translators. Decided recently to use LO for
authoring//
//and delivery so that users can make copies in their preferred format.
For both//
//pdf and html have using LO's export function: //
//File>Export as PDF
or//
//File>Export>All formats>html//
//
//The unwanted alternative text only appears on the html exports./

Gordon.
How do the users copy to html? Using the LO menu "Save as"? or
selectng, then "Edition>Copy" .....?
Post by anne-ology
From my experience,
I would say you've uncovered a 'bug' since the name of the image
should only appear if the image cannot for some reason.
Here's hoping you can find a solution anon,
Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:23 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Unwanted Alternative Image Names
We are using Libre Office in the writing of technical manuals
where some users make html copies.
Finding that the file names of images are being displayed
beside or below the images in the html versions. Because
all images are given a caption, we do not want the file names too.
I can remove them by going to each image Properties>Options
and deleting one at a time but this is time consuming when there are
many images - over 100 in one manual. Is there a setting that can
automatically prevent the file names being displayed?
Have looked through the Help but found nothing, did I overlook it?
Gordon
Tauranga N.Z.
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Steve Edmonds
2017-07-24 23:29:26 UTC
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Hi.
Is the HTML format satisfactory in all other aspects for your needs.
I had to correct the HTML in tables exported by writer so am now wary
about using it for HTML export.
steve
Post by gordon cooper
Did you try to deliver these manuals as pdf ? /
/
/Have been delivering in pdf and html for a couple of years, and using
Lyx for//
//authoring/editing. Open Doc. has been used for translations mainly
because//
//it was preferred by the translators. Decided recently to use LO for
authoring//
//and delivery so that users can make copies in their preferred
format. For both//
//pdf and html have using LO's export function: //
//File>Export as PDF
or//
//File>Export>All formats>html//
//
//The unwanted alternative text only appears on the html exports./
Gordon.
How do the users copy to html? Using the LO menu "Save as"? or
selectng, then "Edition>Copy" .....?
Post by anne-ology
From my experience,
I would say you've uncovered a 'bug' since the name of the image
should only appear if the image cannot for some reason.
Here's hoping you can find a solution anon,
Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:23 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Unwanted Alternative Image Names
We are using Libre Office in the writing of technical manuals
where some users make html copies.
Finding that the file names of images are being displayed
beside or below the images in the html versions. Because
all images are given a caption, we do not want the file names too.
I can remove them by going to each image Properties>Options
and deleting one at a time but this is time consuming when there are
many images - over 100 in one manual. Is there a setting that can
automatically prevent the file names being displayed?
Have looked through the Help but found nothing, did I overlook it?
Gordon
Tauranga N.Z.
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gordon cooper
2017-07-24 23:52:53 UTC
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Hi Steve,
Yes it is satisfactory, it is only the display of the
image file names that is
a relatively small nuisance. I can get rid of them by editing properties
for each
image, so asked to see if there was a setting that would remove them for the
whole file. Have also had to look at table properties to ensure that
framing lines
appeared in the html. HTML also has an advantage in that some software
language
translation programmes, e.g. Googletranslate, will preserve the
formatting, even
if some of the phrasing and syntax needs correcting.

Gordon.
Post by Steve Edmonds
Hi.
Is the HTML format satisfactory in all other aspects for your needs.
I had to correct the HTML in tables exported by writer so am now wary
about using it for HTML export.
steve
Post by gordon cooper
Did you try to deliver these manuals as pdf ? /
/
/Have been delivering in pdf and html for a couple of years, and
using Lyx for//
//authoring/editing. Open Doc. has been used for translations mainly
because//
//it was preferred by the translators. Decided recently to use LO
for authoring//
//and delivery so that users can make copies in their preferred
format. For both//
//pdf and html have using LO's export function: //
//File>Export as PDF
or//
//File>Export>All formats>html//
//
//The unwanted alternative text only appears on the html exports./
Gordon.
How do the users copy to html? Using the LO menu "Save as"? or
selectng, then "Edition>Copy" .....?
Post by anne-ology
From my experience,
I would say you've uncovered a 'bug' since the name of the image
should only appear if the image cannot for some reason.
Here's hoping you can find a solution anon,
Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:23 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Unwanted Alternative Image Names
We are using Libre Office in the writing of technical manuals
where some users make html copies.
Finding that the file names of images are being displayed
beside or below the images in the html versions. Because
all images are given a caption, we do not want the file names too.
I can remove them by going to each image Properties>Options
and deleting one at a time but this is time consuming when there are
many images - over 100 in one manual. Is there a setting that can
automatically prevent the file names being displayed?
Have looked through the Help but found nothing, did I overlook it?
Gordon
Tauranga N.Z.
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Steve Edmonds
2017-07-25 00:36:11 UTC
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Hi Gordon.
The CSS styling in my tables was incorrect and text alignment in merged
cells was non-existent.
Is there a pattern to the formatting of the unwanted text, could you use
sed to remove it.
Steve
Post by gordon cooper
Hi Steve,
Yes it is satisfactory, it is only the display of the
image file names that is
a relatively small nuisance. I can get rid of them by editing
properties for each
image, so asked to see if there was a setting that would remove them for the
whole file. Have also had to look at table properties to ensure that
framing lines
appeared in the html. HTML also has an advantage in that some
software language
translation programmes, e.g. Googletranslate, will preserve the
formatting, even
if some of the phrasing and syntax needs correcting.
Gordon.
Post by Steve Edmonds
Hi.
Is the HTML format satisfactory in all other aspects for your needs.
I had to correct the HTML in tables exported by writer so am now wary
about using it for HTML export.
steve
Post by gordon cooper
Did you try to deliver these manuals as pdf ? /
/
/Have been delivering in pdf and html for a couple of years, and
using Lyx for//
//authoring/editing. Open Doc. has been used for translations
mainly because//
//it was preferred by the translators. Decided recently to use LO
for authoring//
//and delivery so that users can make copies in their preferred
format. For both//
//pdf and html have using LO's export function: //
//File>Export as PDF
or//
//File>Export>All formats>html//
//
//The unwanted alternative text only appears on the html exports./
Gordon.
How do the users copy to html? Using the LO menu "Save as"? or
selectng, then "Edition>Copy" .....?
Post by anne-ology
From my experience,
I would say you've uncovered a 'bug' since the name of the image
should only appear if the image cannot for some reason.
Here's hoping you can find a solution anon,
Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:23 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Unwanted Alternative Image Names
We are using Libre Office in the writing of technical manuals
where some users make html copies.
Finding that the file names of images are being displayed
beside or below the images in the html versions. Because
all images are given a caption, we do not want the file names too.
I can remove them by going to each image Properties>Options
and deleting one at a time but this is time consuming when there are
many images - over 100 in one manual. Is there a setting that can
automatically prevent the file names being displayed?
Have looked through the Help but found nothing, did I overlook it?
Gordon
Tauranga N.Z.
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gordon cooper
2017-07-25 01:00:54 UTC
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Gordon -
I just opened a .odt document with captioned images in LO 5.0, did
File > Export and selected XHTML. (I don't see a separate HTML
option.) When I view the resulting file in my Web browser, a lot of
things aren't right but the images appear with their captions and no
filenames. Am I not doing the same thing as you're doing?
- Robert
Robert,
You are correct with the XHTML selection - the smaller
print on that line indicates
the selection is correct for html and xhtml. If you
secondary click on the image
and select Properties>Options, the popup shows (in my
case) the name of the image
and immediately below, a line for Alternative name
which is displaying the file name
of the image. it is this filename that appears in the
html exports. The fix is to go
to each image Properties and delete whatever is showing
in the Alternative name
line.
Gordon.
Post by gordon cooper
Hi Steve,
Yes it is satisfactory, it is only the display of the
image file names that is
a relatively small nuisance. I can get rid of them by editing
properties for each
image, so asked to see if there was a setting that would remove them for the
whole file. Have also had to look at table properties to ensure that
framing lines
appeared in the html. HTML also has an advantage in that some
software language
translation programmes, e.g. Googletranslate, will preserve the
formatting, even
if some of the phrasing and syntax needs correcting.
Gordon.
Post by Steve Edmonds
Hi.
Is the HTML format satisfactory in all other aspects for your needs.
I had to correct the HTML in tables exported by writer so am now wary
about using it for HTML export.
steve
Post by gordon cooper
Did you try to deliver these manuals as pdf ? /
/
/Have been delivering in pdf and html for a couple of years, and
using > Lyx for//
Post by gordon cooper
//authoring/editing. Open Doc. has been used for translations
mainly > because//
Post by gordon cooper
//it was preferred by the translators. Decided recently to use
LO for > authoring//
Post by gordon cooper
//and delivery so that users can make copies in their preferred
format. > For both//
Post by gordon cooper
//pdf and html have using LO's export function: //
//File>Export as PDF
or//
//File>Export>All formats>html//
//
//The unwanted alternative text only appears on the html exports./
Gordon.
Post by anne-ology
Post by leleu
How do the users copy to html? Using the LO menu "Save
as"? or > > selectng, then "Edition>Copy" .....?
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
From my experience,
I would say you've uncovered a 'bug' since the
name of > > > the image
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
should only appear if the image cannot for some reason.
Post by leleu
Here's hoping you can find a solution anon,
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
From: gordon cooper
Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:23 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Unwanted Alternative Image Names
Post by leleu
Post by gordon cooper
We are using Libre Office in the writing of
technical manuals
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
where some users make html copies.
Post by leleu
Finding that the file names of images are being displayed
beside or below the images in the html versions. Because
all images are given a caption, we do not want the file names
too.
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
Post by leleu
I can remove them by going to each image
Properties>Options
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
and deleting one at a time but this is time consuming when
there are
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
many images - over 100 in one manual. Is there a setting
that can
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
automatically prevent the file names being displayed?
Post by leleu
Have looked through the Help but found nothing, did I
overlook it?
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
Post by leleu
Gordon
Tauranga N.Z.
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Robert Funnell
2017-07-25 01:11:26 UTC
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Gordon -

Yes, I see that indeed my Alternative names are blank, which
apparently is the default when a new image is inserted. How did you
create your .odt files? Manually? Or by some sort of conversion from
another format that defined the Alternative names?

- Robert
Post by gordon cooper
Gordon -
I just opened a .odt document with captioned images in LO 5.0, did
File > Export and selected XHTML. (I don't see a separate HTML
option.) When I view the resulting file in my Web browser, a lot of things
aren't right but the images appear with their captions and no filenames.
Am I not doing the same thing as you're doing?
- Robert
Robert,
You are correct with the XHTML selection - the smaller print on
that line indicates
the selection is correct for html and xhtml. If you secondary
click on the image
and select Properties>Options, the popup shows (in my case)
the name of the image
and immediately below, a line for Alternative name which is
displaying the file name
of the image. it is this filename that appears in the html
exports. The fix is to go
to each image Properties and delete whatever is showing in the
Alternative name
line.
Gordon.
Post by gordon cooper
Hi Steve,
Yes it is satisfactory, it is only the display of the
image file names that is
a relatively small nuisance. I can get rid of them by editing properties
for each
image, so asked to see if there was a setting that would remove them for the
whole file. Have also had to look at table properties to ensure that
framing lines
appeared in the html. HTML also has an advantage in that some software
language
translation programmes, e.g. Googletranslate, will preserve the
formatting, even
if some of the phrasing and syntax needs correcting.
Gordon.
Post by Steve Edmonds
Hi.
Is the HTML format satisfactory in all other aspects for your needs.
I had to correct the HTML in tables exported by writer so am now wary
about using it for HTML export.
steve
Post by gordon cooper
Did you try to deliver these manuals as pdf ? /
/
/Have been delivering in pdf and html for a couple of years, and
using > Lyx for//
Post by gordon cooper
//authoring/editing. Open Doc. has been used for translations
mainly > because//
Post by gordon cooper
//it was preferred by the translators. Decided recently to use
LO for > authoring//
Post by gordon cooper
//and delivery so that users can make copies in their preferred
format. > For both//
Post by gordon cooper
//pdf and html have using LO's export function: //
//File>Export as PDF
or//
//File>Export>All formats>html//
//
//The unwanted alternative text only appears on the html exports./
Gordon.
Post by anne-ology
Post by leleu
How do the users copy to html? Using the LO menu "Save
as"? or > > selectng, then "Edition>Copy" .....?
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
From my experience,
I would say you've uncovered a 'bug' since the
name of > > > the image
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
should only appear if the image cannot for some reason.
Post by leleu
Here's hoping you can find a solution anon,
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
From: gordon cooper
Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:23 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Unwanted Alternative Image Names
Post by leleu
Post by gordon cooper
We are using Libre Office in the writing of
technical manuals
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
where some users make html copies.
Post by leleu
Finding that the file names of images are being displayed
beside or below the images in the html versions. Because
all images are given a caption, we do not want the file names
too.
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
Post by leleu
I can remove them by going to each image
Properties> Options
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
and deleting one at a time but this is time consuming when
there are
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
many images - over 100 in one manual. Is there a setting
that can
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
automatically prevent the file names being displayed?
Post by leleu
Have looked through the Help but found nothing, did I
overlook it?
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
Post by leleu
Gordon
Tauranga N.Z.
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gordon cooper
2017-07-25 08:29:57 UTC
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Eureka!! Many Thanks Robert, that is the clue. The Alternative names
appeared
because a draft .odt file was created by a copy and paste from an html
file which
itself was a conversion from Lyx. The problem is hopefully a "once
only" but for the
archives and benefit of anyone who may meet this in the future, here is
a summary.

1. Any text appearing in Libre Office Image
Properties>Options>Alternative Name does
not appear on screen in a displayed .odt , but will be shown as a
screen shot, and in a
printed copy, as an image caption in an html export from that .odt
file.

2. Images inserted into a Libre Office .odt file will not usually create
an Alternative name,
but if the .odt file has been created by copy and paste from an
html source, the file
reference for any images in the html (not sure about tables) may be
saved as an
Alternative name to then appear in an html export.

This situation is unlikely to occur in normal Libre Office usage.

Thanks again Robert,

Gordon.
Gordon -
Yes, I see that indeed my Alternative names are blank, which
apparently is the default when a new image is inserted. How did you
create your .odt files? Manually? Or by some sort of conversion from
another format that defined the Alternative names?
- Robert
Post by gordon cooper
Gordon -
I just opened a .odt document with captioned images in LO 5.0, did
File > Export and selected XHTML. (I don't see a separate HTML
option.) When I view the resulting file in my Web browser, a lot of things
aren't right but the images appear with their captions and no filenames.
Am I not doing the same thing as you're doing?
- Robert
Robert,
You are correct with the XHTML selection - the smaller
print on that line indicates
the selection is correct for html and xhtml. If you
secondary click on the image
and select Properties>Options, the popup shows (in my
case) the name of the image
and immediately below, a line for Alternative name
which is displaying the file name
of the image. it is this filename that appears in the
html exports. The fix is to go
to each image Properties and delete whatever is showing
in the Alternative name
line.
Gordon.
Post by gordon cooper
Hi Steve,
Yes it is satisfactory, it is only the display of
the > image file names that is
Post by gordon cooper
a relatively small nuisance. I can get rid of them by editing
properties > for each
Post by gordon cooper
image, so asked to see if there was a setting that would remove
them for > the
Post by gordon cooper
whole file. Have also had to look at table properties to ensure
that > framing lines
Post by gordon cooper
appeared in the html. HTML also has an advantage in that some
software > language
Post by gordon cooper
translation programmes, e.g. Googletranslate, will preserve the
formatting, even
if some of the phrasing and syntax needs correcting.
Post by gordon cooper
Gordon.
Hi.
Is the HTML format satisfactory in all other aspects for your
needs.
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
I had to correct the HTML in tables exported by writer so am
now wary
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
about using it for HTML export.
steve
Post by gordon cooper
Did you try to deliver these manuals as pdf ? /
/
/Have been delivering in pdf and html for a couple of years,
and > > using > Lyx for//
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
//authoring/editing. Open Doc. has been used for
translations > > mainly > because//
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
//it was preferred by the translators. Decided recently to
use > > LO for > authoring//
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
//and delivery so that users can make copies in their
preferred > > format. > For both//
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
//pdf and html have using LO's export function: //
//File>Export as PDF
or//
//File>Export>All formats>html//
//
//The unwanted alternative text only appears on the html
exports./
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Gordon.
Post by anne-ology
Post by leleu
How do the users copy to html? Using the LO menu
"Save > > as"? or > > selectng, then "Edition>Copy" .....?
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
From my experience,
I would say you've uncovered a 'bug' since
the > > name of > > > the image
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
should only appear if the image cannot for some reason.
Post by leleu
Here's hoping you can find a solution anon,
Post by gordon cooper
From: gordon cooper > >
Date: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:23 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Unwanted Alternative Image
Names
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
Post by leleu
Post by gordon cooper
We are using Libre Office in the writing of
technical manuals
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
where some users make html copies.
Post by leleu
Finding that the file names of images are being
displayed
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Post by anne-ology
beside or below the images in the html versions. Because
all images are given a caption, we do not want the file
names > > too.
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
Post by gordon cooper
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I can remove them by going to each image > >
Properties> Options
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and deleting one at a time but this is time consuming
when > > there are
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many images - over 100 in one manual. Is there a
setting > > that can
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automatically prevent the file names being displayed?
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Have looked through the Help but found nothing,
did I > > overlook it?
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Gordon
Tauranga N.Z.
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Regina Henschel
2017-07-25 08:37:14 UTC
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Hi Gordon,
Post by gordon cooper
We are using Libre Office in the writing of technical manuals
where some users make html copies.
Finding that the file names of images are being displayed
beside or below the images in the html versions. Because
all images are given a caption, we do not want the file names too.
I can remove them by going to each image Properties>Options
and deleting one at a time but this is time consuming when there are
many images - over 100 in one manual. Is there a setting that can
automatically prevent the file names being displayed?
Have looked through the Help but found nothing, did I overlook it?
I guess you are using File > Export > XHTML. At least with that, I can
reproduce the problem.

It looks like an error in the XHTML filter. Using an old version of the
filter, I see both the caption text and the alternative text of the
picture. Using a new version of the filter (here developer version LO
6.0), I see only the alternative text of the picture and no caption text
at all.

Please write a bug report for the problem.

It is possible to fix the bug without compiling the LO sources. You can
edit the filter directly. You find the filter in <programm
folder>/share/XSLT/export/xhtml. The part body.xsl is relevant here. Do
you know someone with knowledge in XSLT?

Kind regards
Regina
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